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Admin abuse on Vodou's Bokor - Demo included

Marphy Black
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I was playing in Vodou's Bokor today where I encountered a very odd episode of admin abuse. I had become ZM in redqueen when, with absolutely no provocation or warning whatsoever, an admin froze me. I wasn't sure why, but I found out quickly that once the ZM is unfrozen, he loses his noclipping ability and essentially becomes a normal player. The admin froze me while I was over the pit trap, so I fell to the bottom and became stuck there for the entire round.

I was not particularly pleased to have had my ZM opportunity completely robbed for no reason, so I tried asking the admins why I had just been totally screwed over. I received no response from them at all, not even to my question of whether any admins were present, although they did continue to use admin commands in my presence. The names of the two people playing with the GameSyn tag were Zeddy and splatt.

This whole ordeal was a surprise for me as I had no idea what provoked it. I had been playing for several hours beforehand without the slightest incident when suddenly I alone was penalized in the most detrimental manner possible. We had already played a round or two in redqueen with no problems, so I know the admin's actions were deliberately targeted at me.

Just by sheer coincidence, I happened to have recorded a demo of the event. I captured the full round of which I was ZM and a few minutes of the next round covering my attempts to learn why I had been frozen. Additionally, I also captured an RTV poll that was unceremoniously cancelled by an admin with no explanation:
http://home.comcast.net/~pudmonkey1/gamesyn_adminabuse.rar

I don't know what repercussions this might entail, but I do believe I am demonstrating a very blatant display of admin abuse. However, if this is typical and/or accepted admin behavior, then please ignore this message. I can't claim to be very familiar with the normal proceedings on GameSyn's servers as I don't play there that often. I have no intention returning either, so you won't have to be concerned with that.
Mr-Nasty
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This isn't acceptable admin behavior. I'll have to hear their sides of the story.

EDIT: According to Zeddy, you were frozen for trying to block the spawn area of the survivors and zombies were still spawned according to him. And he also said he replied to you when you asked why.



Zeddy
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I only froze you, and you didn't seem to fall in the pit, as spawns were still activated later on. The rtv pole was splatt, who said he liked the map and was going to cancel the pole.
The reason I froze you is because you were trying to block the spawn door with hidden spawns. I know I told splatt why, and I am fairly positive I told you and that even splatt told you. You had been good up until that point, and I had no problems after that. If you weren't trying to block the door, then it was just a misunderstanding. But I am fairly certain that I told you after telling splatt, and I told him to tell you as well. I'll check the demo later and see though. I am also sorry that you fell in the pit, since I didn't know that it caused the ZM to lose that effect.
I apologize for this no matter what, and hope that we will see you again in the server.



weedman
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warning the demo mess up your binds



splatt
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Mr-Nasty says
According to Zeddy, you were frozen for trying to block the spawn area of the survivors and zombies were still spawned according to him. And he also said he replied to you when you asked why.

Stopping the door from opening at the beginning of redqueen with hidden spawns is considered game exploitation:

asceth says
3. No server/mod/plugin/map exploitation. This includes team killing and blocking.

Consequences
- Warn (once in normal chat, next in csay)
- Slay (if applicable)
- Kick
- Temporary Ban (no more than a day)
- Permanent Ban


OFF TOPIC:
weedman says
warning the bind mess up your binds

Huh?



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Marphy Black
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Zeddy says
I only froze you, and you didn't seem to fall in the pit, as spawns were still activated later on.
You were definitely imagining things. I was trapped inside the pit the entire time. The demo shows that, plain and simple. I sincerely hope you're not considering the automatic immolator spawns at the sacrifice chamber to be zombies I manually created.

The reason I froze you is because you were trying to block the spawn door with hidden spawns.
You can't block the spawn door in redqueen with hidden spawned shamblers. This is an impossible task. Try it yourself. If such an exploit were possible, I'm sure it would happen virtually every round.

I hidden spawned shamblers in front of the door to give the survivors a bit of a challenge before reaching the pistol ammo. I do this all the time. Are hidden spawns in of themselves against the rules here? Not to mention I placed the shamblers such a distance from the spawn door that it would be an utterly absurd assumption to believe that they were meant to block any moving brushes. I cannot possibly fathom how one could interpret two freely moving shamblers to be a means of preventing door movement. If they were trapped in a wall, or better yet, actually stuck inside the door itself, I could understand that, but your conclusion as it stands is simply dumbfounding, absolutely beyond words. If you're not going to view the demo (Something I'm suspecting many in this thread haven't done), then here's a screenshot from it that shows my shambler placements:
http://www.nextdimension.org/other/hiddenspawns.jpg

I cannot stress enough how unbelievably mind-boggling your declaration is. These shamblers couldn't possibly under any circumstances be thought to have been intended to block the spawn door. Unless, of course, this server really does have a rule against all hidden spawns. That's the only comprehensible message I'm deriving.
Marphy Black
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I know I told splatt why, and I am fairly positive I told you and that even splatt told you.
I was never informed of anything even after repeatedly asking again and again and again. Check the demo. I had no one muted and I was not experiencing the mic bug. I could read text messages from both admins just fine and everyone else could read my text messages without issue.

I can verify for certain you said nothing to me, but you say that Splatt also told me. I double checked the demo, and Splatt said exactly three things which I can fully transcribe here:
GameSyn.com | splatt: i can block immo spawn its kool
GameSyn.com | splatt: no shit sherlock
GameSyn.com | splatt: 5 ppl awesome

None of this is obviously relevant to my situation. This was all taken from a console dump after playing my demo. Just for reference, I could even provide you with everything I said just to confirm that Splatt's chat messages were not in response to me.

splatt says
Stopping the door from opening at the beginning of redqueen with hidden spawns is considered game exploitation:
Again, 100% impossible. Where did the idea for this exploit come from? Did you just make it up on the spot? You can't stop the spawn door in redqueen from opening with hidden spawns, not that I even attemped such.

asceth says
Consequences
- Warn (once in normal chat, next in csay)
- Slay (if applicable)
- Kick
- Temporary Ban (no more than a day)
- Permanent Ban
Again, I was never warned, neither in chat nor csay. Freezing doesn't seem to be a listed consequence, incidentally.
Marphy Black
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I'm having a difficult time even writing this. I cannot believe the irrationallity of the statements being thrown at me, especially when I'm providing ireffutable evidence (again, there's a nice demo recording available) that clearly demonstrates otherwise. You're telling me that I was deliberately punished for an exploit that not only did I not do, but it was an exploit that's not even possible. You may as well have just told me that I was frozen for hidden spawning an immolator inside a survivor which caused all of the ammo boxes to explode and infinitely respawn thus crashing the server. I hope I don't have to tell you that this is flat out nonsense.

I can also tell you right now that I don't appreciate the baseless assumption that I am guilty of attempting any exploits, especially (once again) since I'm providing you all with a convienent demo that perfectly illustrates the events described. Not only is this ridiculously rude, but I see no reason why I shouldn't interpret these responses as a full offensive attack against my character. You are unabashedly labeling me as an exploiter and accepting such as fact. There's no justifiable reason why I should stand for this, but I will tolerate it in the mean time nonetheless. Luckily I'm an understanding person, but this is causing my patience to wear out fast.
asceth
GameSyn Admin
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Admins have been stripped of power until the situation is resolved. I will personally look into the demo today.

* Hidden spawns are not considered game exploitation unless they are specifically used to block players from advancing by trapping a door/etc then its map exploitation and falls under the general rule of exploitation. But just using what the game gave you isn't exploitation.



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Major_Casualtie
Server Admin
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Jesus, Marphy is just as wordy on here as he is on the ZM forums. But I do see his side of the story, I'd be pissed if that happened to me.

Now I have to ask, why didn't you just 'roundrestart'? All the problems would have been solved with that simple console command.



Zeitlos Eisen
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Major_Casualtie says
All the problems would have been solved with that simple console command.


Probably didn't want to sacrifice his round of ZM.





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